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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://paolaelefante.com/2015/10/giving-more-visibility-to-minorities-in-mathematics-practical-guidelines/#comment-4408&quot;&gt;Nicolas&lt;/a&gt;.

Dear Nicolas, thank you for your comment. It is always refreshing to hear different opinions and re-examine one&#039;s own motivation.
Handling bias and possibly discrimination is always a difficult issue and, as you point out, how to do it in a powerful, yet fair way? I think for instance about the controversial gender quotas. Some say it&#039;s humiliating and against the values they want to promote, some call it a compromising and temporary solution to bring back some balance.

Regarding this particular issue of gender balance in science, I start from my personal experience as a woman - which includes bullying and sexual harassment on the study and workplace, both witnessed and experienced - and then rely on data. These two convinced me that there may be a problem in science and academia. Add that until less than 100 years ago (and still in some countries) women were excluded from academic studies and research. I doubt it changed from one day to the other.
Having assessed there are some discouraging factors for women to participate to science research and academic life, I start thinking about possible solutions. Many studies talk about unconscious bias, which you may change by promoting role models. This is why I suggest to include more women in organising boards and winner longlists of award candidates (note: only longlists, not recipients).

Then there are travel grants and harassment at conferences. I am firm that both things must be addressed to all participants, regardless of gender. On the other hand, I am convinced that such policies will favour women more than men. This only because in most countries women are still the main carer for children (not to mention breastfeeding) and women are victims of (sexual) harassment more often. 

As I underline in the post, these guidelines are general and applicable to any minority issue. I focused on women because the author of the paper did and because I feel it a personal issue.
I hope, as I am sure you do, we won&#039;t have to worry about these things in 30 years and that knowledge and research will be accessible to increasingly more people in the world, despite of gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, anything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://paolaelefante.com/2015/10/giving-more-visibility-to-minorities-in-mathematics-practical-guidelines/#comment-4408">Nicolas</a>.</p>
<p>Dear Nicolas, thank you for your comment. It is always refreshing to hear different opinions and re-examine one's own motivation.<br />
Handling bias and possibly discrimination is always a difficult issue and, as you point out, how to do it in a powerful, yet fair way? I think for instance about the controversial gender quotas. Some say it's humiliating and against the values they want to promote, some call it a compromising and temporary solution to bring back some balance.</p>
<p>Regarding this particular issue of gender balance in science, I start from my personal experience as a woman - which includes bullying and sexual harassment on the study and workplace, both witnessed and experienced - and then rely on data. These two convinced me that there may be a problem in science and academia. Add that until less than 100 years ago (and still in some countries) women were excluded from academic studies and research. I doubt it changed from one day to the other.<br />
Having assessed there are some discouraging factors for women to participate to science research and academic life, I start thinking about possible solutions. Many studies talk about unconscious bias, which you may change by promoting role models. This is why I suggest to include more women in organising boards and winner longlists of award candidates (note: only longlists, not recipients).</p>
<p>Then there are travel grants and harassment at conferences. I am firm that both things must be addressed to all participants, regardless of gender. On the other hand, I am convinced that such policies will favour women more than men. This only because in most countries women are still the main carer for children (not to mention breastfeeding) and women are victims of (sexual) harassment more often. </p>
<p>As I underline in the post, these guidelines are general and applicable to any minority issue. I focused on women because the author of the paper did and because I feel it a personal issue.<br />
I hope, as I am sure you do, we won't have to worry about these things in 30 years and that knowledge and research will be accessible to increasingly more people in the world, despite of gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, religion, anything.</p>
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		By: Nicolas		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really like your blog and effort you put on math popularization from very different viewpoints. I went few your note and it suppose me a bit.  I was thinking how to call the list you presented and the right tittle would be &quot; how to increase discrimination during organization of the event&quot;. 

First of all I have no idea what does &quot;balancing&quot; means. Should I invite people who are leading in the area and willing to participate or jus the right ones from the &quot;balance&quot; point of view? Should I force giving the  prize to someone from the minority just because she/he is a part of the minority? I will call such a behavior hurting for the one obtaining the prize and other candidates. Could you imagine obtaining a mathematical prize because you are &quot; a part of the minority&quot;?

Another thing is point nr. 5. &quot; in the case of women, childcare or travel grants can be crucial to participate&quot; I cannot understand why only in the case of woman a travel grant or childcare is crucial.  Does being a man makes me  a second class  parent?  Why do you assume that only women take care of children? I would call it quite a discrimination......

And  last but not least point 8. 
In the specific case of women, harassment at conferences is a thing. Issue a clear statement on the event website (you can find some ready-made on the net), name a contact person and avoid pools of free alcohol at the conference dinner.
Harassment is unacceptable. It does not matter if the harassed person is women or man. Why harassment   avoiding procedure relates only to woman?  In my opinion it a special treatment of one group of people. There is a word for that..... discrimination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like your blog and effort you put on math popularization from very different viewpoints. I went few your note and it suppose me a bit.  I was thinking how to call the list you presented and the right tittle would be " how to increase discrimination during organization of the event". </p>
<p>First of all I have no idea what does "balancing" means. Should I invite people who are leading in the area and willing to participate or jus the right ones from the "balance" point of view? Should I force giving the  prize to someone from the minority just because she/he is a part of the minority? I will call such a behavior hurting for the one obtaining the prize and other candidates. Could you imagine obtaining a mathematical prize because you are " a part of the minority"?</p>
<p>Another thing is point nr. 5. " in the case of women, childcare or travel grants can be crucial to participate" I cannot understand why only in the case of woman a travel grant or childcare is crucial.  Does being a man makes me  a second class  parent?  Why do you assume that only women take care of children? I would call it quite a discrimination......</p>
<p>And  last but not least point 8.<br />
In the specific case of women, harassment at conferences is a thing. Issue a clear statement on the event website (you can find some ready-made on the net), name a contact person and avoid pools of free alcohol at the conference dinner.<br />
Harassment is unacceptable. It does not matter if the harassed person is women or man. Why harassment   avoiding procedure relates only to woman?  In my opinion it a special treatment of one group of people. There is a word for that..... discrimination.</p>
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